After HT, craving for Stereo

Well friends, I am going to listen to them anyway.

My shortlist was based on the following factors:
1) Price-performance ratio
2) Availability in Kolkata
3) Reliability of after sales service
4) Availability of matching Amp
5) Brand image and reliability

Btw, I am into finance, so tend to weigh alternatives - e.g. which bank to take loan from with all charging same rate of interest.

My attempt really is to identify the better ones from the good, rather narrow it down. Because, its in my nature to get confused by plenty, and being a newbie, I may commit a mistake based on the impression that the salesman gives, the CD he plays, the shop ambience, the discount offered, etc.

All your valuable inputs has helped me. From this thread I got to know of Monitor Audio, which I didn't know was being sold in Kolkata. I called up the dealer and got the price for B4 (35k) and NAD amp (21.5k).

My shortlist is getting long. But atleast when I do visit the showrooms, I know what to look for.

Btw, the guy stocks NAD, also has Sherwood amps. Any opinion on Sherwood?

Thanks

Koushik Buddy,
Please dont mind our aggressive discussions and take it in the right spirit.
BTW here are a few questions to you:

My shortlist was based on the following factors: 1) Price-performance ratio 4) Availability of matching Amp

How did you reach a price-performance ratio without actually hearing them perform ????
Through Specs

How did you conclude about a matching amp without again hearing them ??

Btw, I am into finance, so tend to weigh alternatives - e.g. which bank to take loan from with all charging same rate of interest.

In finance you play around with numbers and data to come to a conclusion...in audio numbers are only pointers, final sound has a lot more to do with than just numbers.

My shortlist is getting long.

Its better to have a longer shortlist with good ones included than having a shorter shortlist with good ones missing.
I tell you listen to all the stuffs which comes to your mind. Even if it is not in your shortlist. You can only gain from it.
Its not like buying a shirt which if you pick the wrong ones can just dump it in your wardrobe, this is a longterm investment and you dont find many takers for these. Hence re-selling means losing huge sum.

Sherwood is OK...you can give it a try. Its decent if you are getting for under 15k

Abhi,

You asked,
How did you reach a price-performance ratio without actually hearing them perform ????
Through Specs

How did you conclude about a matching amp without again hearing them ??

Well, I have the price, so I know which ones are in my budget. I have to listen to find out if those prices are justified. But, please consider that I have long been used to Sony/Philips/Aiwa sound. So, I imagine, all will sound better to me. Hence, I am relying on the experts like u, because my ears will hear but may not judge correctly. I agree that specs should not be final denominator.

Again, when I go shopping, all shops will not have all amps and speakers. Eg, if I want to try Polk with NAD, I cannot. Nor can I try Monitor Audio with Sonodyne. Also, my ears and your ears may hear same but u guys are more knowledgeable to judge them.

So, please keep your valuable comments coming.

Thanks.

Again, when I go shopping, all shops will not have all amps and speakers. Eg, if I want to try Polk with NAD, I cannot.

Ya you are right and thats a sad part. Here there is no shortcut. You have to take some pain to analyse the voicing of NAD and get opinions from the members here to see whether it matches.
I assume like most hifi shops, this shop must be having NAD + some other brands of amp as well. So what you can do is, listen to NAD with a speaker then switch over to some other amp keeping the speaker fixed. Try to analyse where NAD did better and where it didnt. If you liked what it did better then you can definitely consider it as an option. Some common phenomena that you can apply is,
You should avoid pairing up Bright Speakers to bright amps
and Laid back speakers to Laid back amps.
Try to get a balance. If speakers are bright and aggressive, try pairing it with a bit warmer sounding amp...and vice versa.
Its an experiment buddy, you have to carry it out.
Ultimately you should like the sound that you get.
It is a bit tedious but fun as well

abhi.pani schrieb:

Again, when I go shopping, all shops will not have all amps and speakers. Eg, if I want to try Polk with NAD, I cannot. Ya you are right and thats a sad part. Here there is no shortcut. You have to take some pain to analyse the voicing of NAD and get opinions from the members here to see whether it matches. I assume like most hifi shops, this shop must be having NAD + some other brands of amp as well. So what you can do is, listen to NAD with a speaker then switch over to some other amp keeping the speaker fixed. Try to analyse where NAD did better and where it didnt. If you liked what it did better then you can definitely consider it as an option. Some common phenomena that you can apply is, You should avoid pairing up Bright Speakers to bright amps and Laid back speakers to Laid back amps. Try to get a balance. If speakers are bright and aggressive, try pairing it with a bit warmer sounding amp...and vice versa. Its an experiment buddy, you have to carry it out. Ultimately you should like the sound that you get. It is a bit tedious but fun as well ;)

I like pop, classic rock, new hindi film, dance, kenny g. My wife likes rabindrasangeet, ghazal, new hindi film, kishore. My preference is towards loud and bright. Which ones are bright and laid back amps in a budget of max 20k?

kousik_s schrieb:

I like pop, classic rock, new hindi film, dance, kenny g. My wife likes rabindrasangeet, ghazal, new hindi film, kishore.

kousik_s schrieb:

My preference is towards loud and bright.

Except for the "new hindi film" genre, your listening style is rather unconventional for the genres of music you listen to.

P.S.: Give Cervin Vega and JBL a listen. If I remember correctly, Reynolds on Free School Street (opposite fire station) has JBL.

Sorry, I was reffreing to your wife's taste in music.

This statement gives an impression (to a newbie) that bigger the driver, better the bass....and I just wanted to clarify that its not that way in hifi. Your reply does not seem to be in that direction at all.

Does any statement of mine refuse to conclude that bigger drivers ain't giving good bass.. yes it does. So where are my statments going in wrong direction and infact it's you who is just trying to write same things again and again... Hey I havwe written eons ago in this thread that BS of a medicore level beats a entry level FLRs and period..no more no less.. can anyone contradict this??? never as this is the truth..

Here is a newbie who is going through all our posts and I can understand how it can play on his mind. I was there where he is, not too long ago hence I feel I can read his mind a bit.

Oh please!!! don't read minds just read my posts carefully and you'll understand I have made these below statments in diffrent contexts but mean the same :

1. I wrote that a mediocre level BS is better only when entry level cheap built FLRS.
2. I wrote about arrays to counter your argument and your beleif that more no. of drivers does not translate to good sound, hence I wrote about good arrays.

its just too biased a statement. I am just trying to balance it out by saying that, dont go by size and looks...instead listen because:

Hey what makes you think that my posts are biased coz put down your argumenmt that BS can beat FLRS???? fact is a fact to me and I was never forcing him to go for FLRS and not BS.. I asked him to buy what he likes..Period

I have listened to Vertical Array and they were good. But they are totally out of context here

Hello Dude do you have any faintest idea why arrays came into pic??? it's coz you made the most damaging statement that more drivers or big drivers doesn't mean good sound.

A floor stander should never be compared to a tiny speaker and talking of putting floor standers to shame it should've been some real entry level crap to get beaten by a tiny book shelf. Its an extreme statement which is not even debatable.

Why is not debatable?? Is it not clear to you that if a BS has to beat FLRS it has to be a crappy one?? So why debate it's a hard truth.

Just see how many speakers did he actually hear (and for how long). How many has he shortlisted on the basis of sound ????? If you go through the thread you would hardly find 1-2 comments related to actual listening experience. And you say:

I will tell you why specs are important, First you need to know what is the capability of speaker and you get to know only thru specs, put em thru listening test and see whether they live upto your kind of sound and decide...

BTW I am also from the floorstander's camp. I have spent more than a year looking for a good floorstander within a budget (60k). After listening to all my shortlisted speakers 4-5 repeatedly.

BTW I am also from the floorstander's camp. I have spent more than a year looking for a good floorstander within a budget (60k). After listening to all my shortlisted speakers 4-5 repeatedly.

There misleading people.. please let us know for a year what you listened to upto 60K?? what were those 2-3 you could choose from.

Mainly because, most of the newbies upgrade from mini compo so even a mediocre sounding system will thrill them, hence to get your ears trained a bit, you need to go around and listen and then if you repeatedly find a likeness towards a speaker, you are sure that its the ONE.

Please not every newbie here on forum is new to Hifi and not every one upgrades from a mini compo..there is nothing called as training your ears.. it's just you get to change the way you listen to music... you listen more than you hear and what you hear is better than what you've heard should be your motto..

Any opinion on Sherwood?

Avoid it!! There aren't as good as what they used to be.
Whats your budget for the amp and I will try and help you to procure some good stuff..

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Any opinion on Sherwood? Avoid it!! There aren't as good as what they used to be. Whats your budget for the amp and I will try and help you to procure some good stuff.. ;)

I can go max upto 20k for amp/avr. I budgeted more for speakers. Within 20k I can have Sonodyne SiA 102R (12.5k) which gives more room for speakers and NAD 320BEE (21.5k) at extreme end. A Sherwood model no 5500 is also available for 14k. Basically, I want a good speaker with a decent amp to stay within my budget. And I have made up my mind on floorstander as I will be using it for pure stereo and will not add a sub or surround. I have already bought Cinque for 30k this March and can't afford to go overboard.

Btw, I emailed Pulz and they haven't responded yet to my query on their availability in Kolkata.

Thanks

Contact Neutral for more answers on Pulz if you have any queries

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

This statement gives an impression (to a newbie) that bigger the driver, better the bass....and I just wanted to clarify that its not that way in hifi. Your reply does not seem to be in that direction at all. Does any statement of mine refuse to conclude that bigger drivers ain't giving good bass.. yes it does. So where are my statments going in wrong direction and infact it's you who is just trying to write same things again and again... Hey I havwe written eons ago in this thread that BS of a medicore level beats a entry level FLRs and period..no more no less.. can anyone contradict this??? never as this is the truth.. Here is a newbie who is going through all our posts and I can understand how it can play on his mind. I was there where he is, not too long ago hence I feel I can read his mind a bit. Oh please!!! don't read minds just read my posts carefully and you'll understand I have made these below statments in diffrent contexts but mean the same : 1. I wrote that a mediocre level BS is better only when entry level cheap built FLRS. 2. I wrote about arrays to counter your argument and your beleif that more no. of drivers does not translate to good sound, hence I wrote about good arrays. its just too biased a statement. I am just trying to balance it out by saying that, dont go by size and looks...instead listen because: Hey what makes you think that my posts are biased coz put down your argumenmt that BS can beat FLRS???? fact is a fact to me and I was never forcing him to go for FLRS and not BS.. I asked him to buy what he likes..Period I have listened to Vertical Array and they were good. But they are totally out of context here Hello Dude do you have any faintest idea why arrays came into pic??? it's coz you made the most damaging statement that more drivers or big drivers doesn't mean good sound. A floor stander should never be compared to a tiny speaker and talking of putting floor standers to shame it should've been some real entry level crap to get beaten by a tiny book shelf. Its an extreme statement which is not even debatable. Why is not debatable?? Is it not clear to you that if a BS has to beat FLRS it has to be a crappy one?? So why debate it's a hard truth. Just see how many speakers did he actually hear (and for how long). How many has he shortlisted on the basis of sound ????? If you go through the thread you would hardly find 1-2 comments related to actual listening experience. And you say: I will tell you why specs are important, First you need to know what is the capability of speaker and you get to know only thru specs, put em thru listening test and see whether they live upto your kind of sound and decide... BTW I am also from the floorstander's camp. I have spent more than a year looking for a good floorstander within a budget (60k). After listening to all my shortlisted speakers 4-5 repeatedly. BTW I am also from the floorstander's camp. I have spent more than a year looking for a good floorstander within a budget (60k). After listening to all my shortlisted speakers 4-5 repeatedly. There misleading people.. please let us know for a year what you listened to upto 60K?? what were those 2-3 you could choose from. Mainly because, most of the newbies upgrade from mini compo so even a mediocre sounding system will thrill them, hence to get your ears trained a bit, you need to go around and listen and then if you repeatedly find a likeness towards a speaker, you are sure that its the ONE. Please not every newbie here on forum is new to Hifi and not every one upgrades from a mini compo..there is nothing called as training your ears.. it's just you get to change the way you listen to music... you listen more than you hear and what you hear is better than what you've heard should be your motto..

Sub,
It seems that you want people to understand a lot more than you write. Then you claim that your post was not read properly. When I am answering each and every line of your post, how do you say that I didnt read your post well. If you have to say something, please state it in clear words rather than expecting people to read hard between the lines understand some implicit stuff. No, thats not done.

Does any statement of mine refuse to conclude that bigger drivers ain't giving good bass.. yes it does.

Strongly disagree...Bigger drivers (8" and above) in entry level and a bit higher level speakers (within 60-65k) that I have heard all give very woolly, loose and muffled bass. Most of them are almost boomy. There is very less defination in them. Its only quantity with very less quality. As amp_nut says "Quantity is a poor substitute for quality", I agree. Except for two speakers I remember i.e Kef Q7 and Klipsch RF3 which had good bass characteristics (even though they had relatively larger diameter drivers) all others were very average sounding ones. Whereas most of the speakers which sounded good in that budget didnt have drivers larger than 6.5". Hence such extreme statements are not debatable IMO.

You say:

Hey I havwe written eons ago in this thread that BS of a medicore level beats a entry level FLRs and period..no more no less.. can anyone contradict this???

and you also say:

A floor stander should never be compared to a tiny speaker and talking of putting floor standers to shame it should've been some real entry level crap to get beaten by a tiny book shelf.

So first you say a mid-level BS is better than a entry level floors. Then you say any flrs that gets beaten by a BS is a crap speaker. Which basically means that most entry level FLRS are crap !!! Right sub ?

I wrote about arrays to counter your argument and your beleif that more no. of drivers does not translate to good sound, hence I wrote about good arrays.

Sorry sub, you got it all wrong. I always try to stay away from giving extreme comments. I never said more no of drivers CANNOT give good sound, I just said more no of drivers does NOT GUARANTEE good sound. Hence not to go by number of drivers. Cmon dude dont assume things...even you know that there are many multiple driver implementations that fail miserably to a much simple design of 2-3 drivers. Why debate on this ?
Line arrays and Floorstanders are two different segments with different price point and design criterea. Line Arrays are meant to have multiple drivers where as floorstanders can have just one driver.

Hey what makes you think that my posts are biased coz put down your argumenmt that BS can beat FLRS????

No, because I believe extreme statements are more oftenly biased.

Hello Dude do you have any faintest idea why arrays came into pic??? it's coz you made the most damaging statement that more drivers or big drivers doesn't mean good sound.

Its damaging???????????????????
Its the most generic and transparent thing in the hifi audio world !!!!!!!!!!!
You refuse to believe it, I am astonished

What I have seen is more drivers are not easy to integrate, they dont sound coherent if not extremely well designed. Speaker design is not about stacking drivers into a box dude..
The monitor70 speakers thats being discussed here has 4 mid-bass drivers and a tweeter, it easily gets beaten by a kef-Q5 with just two mid-bass drivers. Then there was one Wharfdale Xarus speaker (30k) with 4 X 8" Bass drivers and they literally sucked big time. The diamond range was way way more musical. Its my first hand experience. There are umpteen examples like that which I can jot down........whats this going on man...you are saying more drivers give better sound ??????? WHOA..
And here Koushik has already rejected Kef iQ5 because it has less drivers
Its too ridiculous to me.

Why is not debatable?? Is it not clear to you that if a BS has to beat FLRS it has to be a crappy one?? So why debate it's a hard truth.

No I am still to experience that...its only in Bass extension where BS may not match the FLRS, but overall musical presentation has a lot lot lot more than just Bass hence there is a lot of competition between them. There is no absolute winner by any chance.

I will tell you why specs are important, First you need to know what is the capability of speaker and you get to know only thru specs, put em thru listening test and see whether they live upto your kind of sound and decide...

I very well understand the importance of specs. But the kind of weightage given here is just NOT RIGHT. It may rather mislead him..which he has already done once. He himself admits that he weighs numbers (being from a finance background) ?? Dude, he is not using specs as pointers, he is using it more as a concluding evidence!!! Look at this:
Koushik wrote:

Seems like to get out of the vicious circle, I have 2 options: 1) Budget: Sonodyne SiA 102R with Sonus 2605 (35k) 2) High: NAD C320BEE/Denon PMA 700 AE with Polk Monitor 70 (55-60k)

He is in the process of finalizing his system without even listening to other competitive products.
And you say he is in the right direction ????? I totally disagree buddy. Thats a pitfall IMO.

I wrote:

BTW I am also from the floorstander's camp. I have spent more than a year looking for a good floorstander within a budget (60k). After listening to all my shortlisted speakers 4-5 repeatedly.

and you wrote:

There misleading people.. please let us know for a year what you listened to upto 60K?? what were those 2-3 you could choose from.

Please justify how this was misleading. Now dont expect us to understand things implicitly.
I was just narrating my experience to find a good floorstanding speaker for myself. Even though I had a decent budget of upto 60k, I could find very less speakers which impressed me everytime I listened to it.
You want the names:
1. Kef Q7 (60k after discount)
2. Kef Q5 (42k after discount)

Acoustic portrait did impress me later on but not their full-blown version of 52k + taxes but rather the 33k kit version of the same speaker.
Sonus 2605 was at the bottom entry level which I liked (though I wanted better ones).

Now what do you conclude from this please let us know ?????

Please not every newbie here on forum is new to Hifi and not every one upgrades from a mini compo..

I just benefitted from the process that I have mentioned hence I have suggested him to try that out. Whats wrong in that ??

I felt my ears definitely got trained. Getting accustomed to good sound definitely helps you in selecting better equipments. Its like if you have never driven anthing beyond a Santro and you want to buy a sports car, even a entry level crappy sports car can make you thrilled. You actually have to drive the better ones to have a feel of what a good sports car can do....thats the point.
It happened with me so I have stated. You have to get familiarized IMO.

Strongly disagree...Bigger drivers (8" and above) in entry level and a bit higher level speakers (within 60-65k) that I have heard all give very woolly, loose and muffled bass. Most of them are almost boomy. There is very less defination in them. Its only quantity with very less quality. As amp_nut says "Quantity is a poor substitute for quality", I agree. Except for two speakers I remember i.e Kef Q7 and Klipsch RF3 which had good bass characteristics all others were very average sounding ones. Whereas most of the speakers which sounded good in that budget didnt have drivers larger than 6.5". Hence such extreme statements are not debatable IMO. ???

Hmmm..
well i do know of one speaker..actually two..one bookshelf and one floorstander that will beat the crap out of any speaker in the bass department..the bookshelf would probably beat your Dynaudio in the presentation dept too..
all for under 30k.
Arasu's speakers!!
the 502(MTM bookshelf 5.25inch drivers) and the 802(MTM FLRS 8 inch drivers) models are too good...i personally love the 502s..

Its damaging??????????????????? Its the most generic and transparent thing in the hifi audio world !!!!!!!!!!! You refuse to believe it, I am astonished What I have seen is more drivers are not easy to integrate, they dont sound coherent if not extremely well designed. Speaker design is not about stacking drivers into a box dude.. The monitor70 speakers thats being discussed here has 4 mid-bass drivers and a tweeter, it easily gets beaten by a kef-Q5 with just two mid-bass drivers. Its my first hand experience. There are umpteen examples like that which I can jot down........whats this going on man...you are saying more drivers give better sound ??????? WHOA.. And here Koushik has already rejected Kef iQ5 because it has less drivers Its too ridiculous to me.

while the first part of that statement is true..speaker design is not straight forward...what i did too was way too crude to be caled designing speakers.
but then again, if u know how then u can do a lot with larger drivers..of course first u should know which driver to pick! and we all know that's easier said than done.
More drivers can deliver better sound if done right...and not many can do that.

And Abhi, ur eample of the Polk is not at all justified.
I personally feel that the newer cheaper Polk are just that..very cheap speakers..not worth the money...they were good once upon a time..but no longer..

I was just narrating my experience to find a good floorstanding speaker for myself. Even though I had a decent budget of upto 60k, I could find very less speakers which impressed me everytime I listened to it. You want the names: 1. Kef Q7 (60k after discount) 2. Kef Q5 (42k after discount)

well IMHO..the Kef Q7 and the kef Q5 are horrible to the core.
Don't know abt the newermodels though..
The Q7 bas was just not right for me and the mids and highs in the Q5 were muddling up pretty badly.
A waste of money IMO..but its ur decision finally.

Sonus 2605 was at the bottom entry level which I liked (though I wanted better ones).

Again I differ here.. I prefer the Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 over the sonodynes...no two ways abt it.

And Abhi, ur eample of the Polk is not at all justified. I personally feel that the newer cheaper Polk are just that..very cheap speakers..not worth the money...they were good once upon a time..but no longer..

How is my comparision NOT JUSTIFIED ?? You yourself are saying Polks are bad and thats what I am also saying that Polks are bad even though they have multiple drivers...wheres the contradiction ??

well i do know of one speaker..actually two..one bookshelf and one floorstander that will beat the crap out of any speaker in the bass department..the bookshelf would probably beat your Dynaudio in the presentation dept too.. all for under 30k. Arasu's speakers!! the 502(MTM bookshelf 5.25inch drivers) and the 802(MTM FLRS 8 inch drivers) models are too good...i personally love the 502s..

Well thats debatable, because you heard both the speakers with different equipments in different environments. Listening to a speaker in a fully treated room (which Arasu has) is totally differnt from listening to it in a hollow squarish room (my living room).
I seriously doubt 502 beat Dynas, Having said that I also liked the 502s a lot. I think it was the best among the lot.

More drivers can deliver better sound if done right...and not many can do that.

Exactly...may be thats the reason I found very few speakers doing a good job with multiple drivers.

well IMHO..the Kef Q7 and the kef Q5 are horrible to the core. Don't know abt the newermodels though.. The Q7 bas was just not right for me and the mids and highs in the Q5 were muddling up pretty badly. A waste of money IMO..but its ur decision finally.

To each his own buddy...I still like them even after your repeated negative comments. I lisetened again and again to confirm whether they sounded good to me or not and finally I liked them more than other speakers in that budget.
Buddy its totally subjective...lets not debate on this.

Again I differ here.. I prefer the Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 over the sonodynes...no two ways abt it.

Again its subjective...no two ways abt it.

abhi.pani schrieb:

And Abhi, ur eample of the Polk is not at all justified. I personally feel that the newer cheaper Polk are just that..very cheap speakers..not worth the money...they were good once upon a time..but no longer.. How is my comparision NOT JUSTIFIED ?? You yourself are saying Polks are bad and thats what I am also saying that Polks are bad even though they have multiple drivers...wheres the contradiction ?? well i do know of one speaker..actually two..one bookshelf and one floorstander that will beat the crap out of any speaker in the bass department..the bookshelf would probably beat your Dynaudio in the presentation dept too.. all for under 30k. Arasu's speakers!! the 502(MTM bookshelf 5.25inch drivers) and the 802(MTM FLRS 8 inch drivers) models are too good...i personally love the 502s.. Well thats debatable, because you heard both the speakers with different equipments in different environments. Listening to a speaker in a fully treated room (which Arasu has) is totally differnt from listening to it in a hollow squarish room (my living room). I seriously doubt 502 beat Dynas, Having said that I also liked the 502s a lot. I think it was the best among the lot. More drivers can deliver better sound if done right...and not many can do that. Exactly...may be thats the reason I found very few speakers doing a good job with multiple drivers. well IMHO..the Kef Q7 and the kef Q5 are horrible to the core. Don't know abt the newermodels though.. The Q7 bas was just not right for me and the mids and highs in the Q5 were muddling up pretty badly. A waste of money IMO..but its ur decision finally. To each his own buddy...I still like them even after your repeated negative comments. I lisetened again and again to confirm whether they sounded good to me or not and finally I liked them more than other speakers in that budget. Buddy its totally subjective...lets not debate on this. Again I differ here.. I prefer the Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 over the sonodynes...no two ways abt it. Again its subjective...no two ways abt it. :D

what i meant was that the Polk was not a proper speaker for you to make ur argument that
"speakers with mroe drivers don't perform"

Am not trying to impress my opinion on anyone here.
please see that i make sure its my own opinion and nothing else.

regarding the 502 and the dyn 52SE.
hmm..first of all , weren't you saying that we need to have good listening rooms when we go to audition.
Well, then where's the problem.
Yeah i know ur trying to make a case that the dynes are not in the best listning environs...
but then again aren't you using all those 'high end' and fancy electronics and Dynaudio Speaker?

while here we are talking abt the entire speaker, amplifier, preamp built in India, in our Bengaluru.
Except for the CDP(which is infact a Phillips DVDP) the rest is all of Indian make and am mighty proud to see and hear such quality components..

Except for the CDP(which is infact a Phillips DVDP) the rest is all of Indian make and am mighty proud to see and hear such quality components..

Very true dear friend Philips DVDP is too good to be priced at 4 k... and now let me know when are coming to listen to my set up????

what i meant was that the Polk was not a proper speaker for you to make ur argument that "speakers with mroe drivers don't perform"

First of all I have never mentioned that multiple drivers DONT perform. I am just saying, mutiple drivers DONT IMPLY better performance. Hence my example as Polk. Its just a guideline sentence to a newbie (Koushik) not to carried away with the number of drivers and its looks.

regarding the 502 and the dyn 52SE. hmm..first of all , weren't you saying that we need to have good listening rooms when we go to audition. Well, then where's the problem.

First of all I dont have Dyn 52SE, I have the Dyn 52.
And where did I say that there is a problem with treated rooms ???? Instead I liked the way Arasu has presented things. It speaks a lot about his knowledge in audio.
All I was saying that since you havent heard the Dyns in a well treated room hence coming to a conclusion could be a bit too early. And yes I am using good equipments and I am happy to see what they are doing to the sound. Hence I would rather invite you to come over for one more listening session with a fresh mind and ample time to spare (which you couldnt the last time you visited my place) then we can sit and carry out some analysis. BTW I am somewhat convinced that rooms can play havoc even with the best of the equipments , though my room is in a bit better league.

Here we are talking abt the entire speaker, amplifier, preamp built in India, in our Bengaluru. Except for the CDP(which is infact a Phillips DVDP) the rest is all of Indian make and am mighty proud to see and hear such quality components..

Even I feel the same. Great job...

Soon buddy...very soon..

Hopefully by then my latest project and probably my last(for a while) would be completed.

Hope am not being too forward by suggesting that maybe we could have the next Bangalore audio meet in your place(with you and your better half willing of course)?

What say?

Oh...most welcome.
We can definitely meet at my place. May be the next weekend would be a good time.
Lets not hijack the thread by discussing that in here
We can discuss it here:
http://www.hifi-foru...=68&postID=last#last

More drivers can deliver better sound if done right...and not many can do that. Exactly...may be thats the reason I found very few speakers doing a good job with multiple drivers.

Well I wrote a hundred times that it has to be a good designed array..and this is the last time. Now you write again about good designed arrays which is my patented sentence will get the 7 feet black cobra form my garden and slink it onto your as*

1. Kef Q7 (60k after discount) 2. Kef Q5 (42k after discount)

Dude you should've heard AE there are too good.

Please justify how this was misleading. Now dont expect us to understand things implicitly. I was just narrating my experience to find a good floorstanding speaker for myself. Even though I had a decent budget of upto 60k, I could find very less speakers which impressed me everytime I listened to it. You want the names: 1. Kef Q7 (60k after discount) 2. Kef Q5 (42k after discount) Acoustic portrait did impress me later on but not their full-blown version of 52k + taxes but rather the 33k kit version of the same speaker. Sonus 2605 was at the bottom entry level which I liked (though I wanted better ones). Now what do you conclude from this please let us know ?????

I conclude that you should 've bought Siva's AP's..best bang for buck..

hey I don't understand how you missed out on AE's???
Did you hear the Cadence valves with them.. hmm too good

Hope am not being too forward by suggesting that maybe we could have the next Bangalore audio meet in your place(with you and your better half willing of course)? What say?

i don't know if his better half would agree or not, but Abhi Pani continues to blast music he'll be floored by his neighbours.. dude have some empathy for your co- beings..I've already been banned by my neighbours... hope you don't do the same

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Hope am not being too forward by suggesting that maybe we could have the next Bangalore audio meet in your place(with you and your better half willing of course)? What say? i don't know if his better half would agree or not, but Abhi Pani continues to blast music he'll be floored by his neighbours.. dude have some empathy for your co- beings..I've already been banned by my neighbours... hope you don't do the same ;)

Hehe...
well being single its hard to empathise with anyone...
guess u guys wouldn't know anything abt that .

In fact i have been warned by my neighbours many times but now i have carte blanche to play as loud and as long as i want.

well being single its hard to empathise with anyone... guess u guys wouldn't know anything abt that

Don't fly your handle too high in air.. you'll be flooerd by marriage..then I will listen when you talk...

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Don't fly your handle too high in air.. you'll be flooerd by marriage..then I will listen when you talk... :D

Touché

Sub,
I did hear the AE, they are good, but a bit too laid back for me. I heard them with Marantz PM-7200 and Audio Analogue, may be that was the culprit

I conclude that you should 've bought Siva's AP's..best bang for buck..

Not after I heard the Dynas .
But still a good one among others.

Well I wrote a hundred times that it has to be a good designed array..

Rare at entry level.

Did you hear the Cadence valves with them.. hmm too good

Not yet.

i don't know if his better half would agree or not, but Abhi Pani continues to blast music he'll be floored by his neighbours.. dude have some empathy for your co- beings..I've already been banned by my neighbours... hope you don't do the same

Already my wifey is eating my head saying this all the time..now you dont start.

Rare at entry level.

Thare are no entry level arrays... but oh yeah you can find in SP Road....

Already my wifey is eating my head saying this all the time..now you dont start.

..... Dude it's part and parcel of every audio nut's life which our benks has to expereince...

Touché

Remercie le frère...

Dude it's part and parcel of every audio nut's life which our benks has to expereince..

But why ?????????

Touché Remercie le frère...

Do any of you login as Rockamedi

Touché Remercie le frère... Do any of you login as Rockamedi

Read Friend.. read again, this is french and rockamendi writes in german..

But why ?????????

hahahahah very innocent...I pity you dude.. you play loud music and disturb your neighbours and ask why???

It seems that you want people to understand a lot more than you write. Then you claim that your post was not read properly. When I am answering each and every line of your post, how do you say that I didnt read your post well. If you have to say something, please state it in clear words rather than expecting people to read hard between the lines understand some implicit stuff. No, thats not done.

Hahahahah you must'be thought that I'm attacking you personally as you have BS. no no way..

Read Friend.. read again, this is french and rockamendi writes in german..

All same to me...I just feel

hahahahah very innocent...I pity you dude.. you play loud music and disturb your neighbours and ask why???

No never..I always take care of their sentiments...when I can hear them..

Hahahahah you must'be thought that I'm attacking you personally as you have BS. no no way..

Cmon...are you kidding...totally irrelevant.
I wrote that because you always come back and say that I didnt read your post CAREFULLY and then you add a few words (saying that this is what I meant) which you actually never wrote in your original post....so I said...instead of explaining afterwards, better write what you mean in one shot. That will avoid a lot of re-writing and confusion.

Did some actual listening this weekend - quite a few speakers. My impressions are as below:
At ProFX:
a) Polk Monitor 40 - Very hard hitting, in the face
b) Polk Monitor 50 - This one gave me ear fatigue in 15 min
c) Polk Monitor 60 - Very balanced sound, good highs
d) KEF iQ9 - Beyond my budget, very rounded, no ear fatigue in 15 min I demoed this
At SKS Traders:
a) Monitor Audio B2 - Sweet with good lows, most impressed
b) Dali Concept 6 - Really enjoyed the Vanessa Mae I took along, next to iQ9
c) Wharfedale Diamond 9.5 - Looks solid and well built but probably same weight as Dali, bass was sometimes booming, ok

Upto now, its Dali Concept 6.

Still to demo:
Polk RTi8, KEF iQ5, Monitor Audio B4.

SKS Traders stocks Yamaha, NAD, Cambriddge Audio and Sherwood amps. I demoed all on NAD C320BEE and 1 song on Yamaha AX396.

Yet to demo: Cambridge Audio 540A(version 2) at same price point as NAD C320BEE.

^^Try and give the Jamo E855 a listen as well if there's a cinebels around.

I wrote that because you always come back and say that I didnt read your post CAREFULLY and then you add a few words (saying that this is what I meant) which you actually never wrote in your original post....so I said...instead of explaining afterwards, better write what you mean in one shot. That will avoid a lot of re-writing and confusion.

Please read all my potst and if possible revise them...

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I wrote that because you always come back and say that I didnt read your post CAREFULLY and then you add a few words (saying that this is what I meant) which you actually never wrote in your original post....so I said...instead of explaining afterwards, better write what you mean in one shot. That will avoid a lot of re-writing and confusion. Please read all my potst and if possible revise them... :D

Already so many posts are pending to be read...why read old posts

Hii Kaushik,
I'm from Kolkata too. I also had a talk with Subho Pathak last week. I'm interested in buying NAD 320BEE with Diamond 9.2 bookselves( I have a low budget to start with). Basically I'm a vinyl lover with a collection of Hindi oldies(R.D.Burman only). I'm also looking for a dedicated CD player. Plz. share u'r thought. I'm yet to have a demo at PROFX (Hindusthan Road) too for Denon.
Plz share u'r views.

Rgds
Sourav

souravin schrieb:

Hii Kaushik, I'm from Kolkata too. I also had a talk with Subho Pathak last week. I'm interested in buying NAD 320BEE with Diamond 9.2 bookselves( I have a low budget to start with). Basically I'm a vinyl lover with a collection of Hindi oldies(R.D.Burman only). I'm also looking for a dedicated CD player. Plz. share u'r thought. I'm yet to have a demo at PROFX (Hindusthan Road) too for Denon. Plz share u'r views. Rgds Sourav

Apart from NAD C320BEE, you can also check Cambridge Audio Azur 540A. For CD, Pathak has NAD C352 and Cambridge Audio Azur 540C. These are matching amps and CD. I have to yet to demo Cambridge Audio. But NAD was a great improvement over Yamaha.

For bookshelves, close your eyes and buy Monitor Audio B2, also available at Pathak. It beats all Wharfedale and other similar priced stuff. I am in a dilemma whether to buy a floorstander after hearing this one.

Cambridge Audio 540 series are very lean sounding equipments IMO...NAD is much much better(exciting)for that money.

[quote="kousik_s"]
For bookshelves, close your eyes and buy [b]Monitor Audio B2[/b], also available at Pathak. It beats all Wharfedale and other similar priced stuff. I am in a dilemma whether to buy a floorstander after hearing this one.[/quote]

Follow your own advice - when buying speakers please close your eyes. Don't see if it's floorstander or not - it's sound should stand above the rest ! Remember that you are paying for the sound and not for the size of the cabinet or number of drivers.

I'm talking from experience - many of have fallen in this "affordable floorstanders" pit. So watch out.

Regards

Sanjay

Doc is right..'close your eyes' is a good suggestion, though slightly impractical!
It's important for you to know what you like..bass heavy sound or leaner sound. It will depend a lot on your room too what eventually sounds good. But dont discount the stand mounters. Quality of sound for weight and size can outstrip similar priced floorstanders.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Cambridge Audio 540 series are very lean sounding equipments IMO...NAD is much much better(exciting)for that money.

A brighter speaker combo really puts life onto the cambridge...and yes, with more warmer speakers, the sound is very unexciting... I have tried my 540R receiver with lithos and it was not at all impressive, but with the NAD, there is a clear difference. Now with the MS901, its more lively....

Demoed Monitor Audio B4 side by side with Dali Concept 6. First impression was B4 was much brighter than Dali. But bass had more presence, sometimes too much. It was not burnt in yet. Dali in comparison was more balanced and had more sweetness to it. I listened to a wide variety from Rafi to instrumental and rock music. B4 was definitely better for rock music. But still, I liked Dali for clarity and balanced sound. All were demoed on NAD C320BEE, which I have made up my mind on. Dali gave less ear fatigue than B4 and will probably be better for most kind of music. Yet to demo KEF iQ5.

Waiting for other users opinions on these 2 speakers.

Also, Dali is not bi-wireable. Does it really matter?

Thanks.

kousik_s schrieb:

Also, Dali is not bi-wireable. Does it really matter?

Naaah ! unless you want it to

If the speakers do not have biwirable terminales, they really do not need it